10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer
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If you are an educated Christian, I would like to talk with you today about an important and interesting question. Have you ever thought about using your college education to think about your faith? Your life and your career demand that you behave and act rationally. Let's apply your critical thinking skills as we discuss 10 simple questions about your religion. The answers will amaze you.
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God is loving, just not loving all the time. Like I said, I don't know why He does what He does, I ain't that arrogant. He's God, He can do what He wants whether we understand/agree or not.
As for hell, well, I think the "flames" are symbolic of the torment of being eternally separated
'Tings like God and Jesus and Satan and the Antichrist are actual literal figures.'
Jesus is an actual literal figure. AntiChrist: There is an antiMary? How does one invert a Jesus? Sounds far-fetched for an angel to have a child - fairytale hmm lol
The kind of reality of the others is pretty mysterious isn't it? Invisible 'beings' that are eternal, that exercise effects as 'forces' of good and evil. Very abstract ideas - even if you are a believer that much should be clear.
Hmmm....I get it. And yeah that's what I'm saying. I think Hell may be a total and complete spiritual death. No part of the body or soul remains alive; which would therefore be the only way one can be completely separated from God for eternity.
The natural world has a layer of mystery all the same - and very likely will always do. The brute fact of its existence, the source of rationality in the cosmos (a thing in itself - another brute fact), what then is the cosmos if not a creation - an inherently creative system of physics, but i'm really not sure. Then there is the "meaning of life". All mankind's accomplishments to date. Do these matter - what are our goals? Humans need to fabricate meanings of some kind.
I dunno if there's an antiMary, but the AntiChrist is just supposed to be the exact opposite of Jesus; a man who comes to mark the destruction of everything. But I dunno.
And yes, the mysteries surrounding God and Satan ARE abundant indeed. Very abstract ideas, I do agree.
I said "purely from a biblical standpoint, that's all I can think of". Stepping outside that box, of course it's a possibility and like I admitted before, one I consider all too often.
Eeks...that would suck. But fire isn't involved? Like, literal flame? Or do you think it might just be conscious solitude?
I could accept 'God' and 'Satan' if they were paraphrased to refer to networks of events and ideas in human society. Symbols like the "primitives" in Jung's psychoanalysis - which are supposed to be inherent to cosmos in some way. Elemental forces which we give a name to. God's always seem to arise this way. That doesn't make them disappear from existence, any more than pythagoras' theorem does, but it suggests they are not specific individuals.
Maybe i'm talking crap though lol
Haha, yeah I've heard the same sort of thing once before. There used to be a good man here once who claimed that if extraterrestrials were proven real, then the story of Jesus would then make much more sense and he said it might even convert him. So .:shrug:. like I said it's not out of the question and it's also not the craziest thing I've ever heard. After all...look at the system of beliefs *I* have. "Crazy" shouldn't be in my vocabulary.
Simple mathematics demonstrates that degrees of punishment make no difference in the context of an eternal torment. Because 1 x infinite = 2 x infinite = 3 x infinity = 100000000000 x infinity. The total punishment is the same no matter the degree from one moment to the next.
And the total punishment no matter how slight at each moment is always going to far exceed the sum of decisions and sins on Earth. There is never a rational excuse for infinite punishment of a soul
Errrrrmmm =/
I dunno anymore man, I've always been taught that hell was simply a way of saying "separated from God" rather than "eternal torment"....this kind of really sucks.
I definitely wouldn't convert if there were extraterrestrials. I think you misunderstood me. The "elemental forces" would not attach themselves specifically to Christian mythology. They would map across all world religions which fabricate similar ideas. Jesus emerges as having more radiative effect on future ethics than most, but all humans contribute to this network of symbols. The idea is just that forces of good & evil pervade cosmos independent of humans AND particular myths
Yeah, but I meant to say that I didn't ever understand that there would be these degrees of punishment. If this is true I've got a LOT to worry about. I love all these people....TIMM, voiceoftruth,barty. They're all good friends and better yet, they're GOOD people. Not to mention the other real life friends I have that are Atheist or Jewish or Muslim....I can't imagine them all suffering for eternity. I'd much rather be able to go instead than to have them do it...
You misunderstood me. Names deities are of no interest to me. But they are also warehouses for human symbolism. We fabricated Gods as part of collective imagination. But something else will get fabricated in their place. You just said "the meaning of life is what we give it"...but you didn't provide one! It's commonly thought atheism leads to meaningless of existence. I think this is a fallacy, because the mysteries of existence remain, so who can say life is meaningless?