10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer



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If you are an educated Christian, I would like to talk with you today about an important and interesting question. Have you ever thought about using your college education to think about your faith? Your life and your career demand that you behave and act rationally. Let's apply your critical thinking skills as we discuss 10 simple questions about your religion. The answers will amaze you.


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Array ( 24 minutes ago by DelMarrrrr)
@onesappleone
God is loving, just not loving all the time. Like I said, I don't know why He does what He does, I ain't that arrogant. He's God, He can do what He wants whether we understand/agree or not.
@DelMarrrrr... ... ( 24 minutes ago by gladItooktheredpill)
@DelMarrrrr...you'll recall that when David lost his infant son, his response was "I will go to him, but he will not return to me", which may be a reference to heaven and not merely the grave, and that John was filled with the Holy Spirit while still in his mother's womb, which indicates the possibility that regeneration can happen in people before they are able to understand the gospel message.
As for hell, well, I think the "flames" are symbolic of the torment of being eternally separated
Array ( 24 minutes ago by thisismymoniker)
@DelMarrrrr
'Tings like God and Jesus and Satan and the Antichrist are actual literal figures.'
Jesus is an actual literal figure. AntiChrist: There is an antiMary? How does one invert a Jesus? Sounds far-fetched for an angel to have a child - fairytale hmm lol
The kind of reality of the others is pretty mysterious isn't it? Invisible 'beings' that are eternal, that exercise effects as 'forces' of good and evil. Very abstract ideas - even if you are a believer that much should be clear.
@DelMarrrrr Its not ... ( 24 minutes ago by onesappleone)
@DelMarrrrr Its not the only thing you can think of. How about the possibility that we live in a natural world, governed by the laws of physics and there are no supernatural phenomina?
@ ... ( 21 minutes ago by DelMarrrrr)
@gladItooktheredpill
Hmmm....I get it. And yeah that's what I'm saying. I think Hell may be a total and complete spiritual death. No part of the body or soul remains alive; which would therefore be the only way one can be completely separated from God for eternity.
@thisismymoniker ... ( 20 minutes ago by onesappleone)
@thisismymoniker Would the anit-devil be jesus?
Array ( 19 minutes ago by thisismymoniker)
@onesappleone
The natural world has a layer of mystery all the same - and very likely will always do. The brute fact of its existence, the source of rationality in the cosmos (a thing in itself - another brute fact), what then is the cosmos if not a creation - an inherently creative system of physics, but i'm really not sure. Then there is the "meaning of life". All mankind's accomplishments to date. Do these matter - what are our goals? Humans need to fabricate meanings of some kind.
Array ( 19 minutes ago by DelMarrrrr)
@thisismymoniker
I dunno if there's an antiMary, but the AntiChrist is just supposed to be the exact opposite of Jesus; a man who comes to mark the destruction of everything. But I dunno.
And yes, the mysteries surrounding God and Satan ARE abundant indeed. Very abstract ideas, I do agree.
Array ( 18 minutes ago by DelMarrrrr)
@onesappleone
I said "purely from a biblical standpoint, that's all I can think of". Stepping outside that box, of course it's a possibility and like I admitted before, one I consider all too often.
@DelMarrrrr...nope. ... ( 16 minutes ago by gladItooktheredpill)
@DelMarrrrr...nope...hell involves consciousness, not annihilation unfortunately.
@ ... ( 14 minutes ago by DelMarrrrr)
@gladItooktheredpill
Eeks...that would suck. But fire isn't involved? Like, literal flame? Or do you think it might just be conscious solitude?
Array ( 14 minutes ago by thisismymoniker)
@DelMarrrrr
I could accept 'God' and 'Satan' if they were paraphrased to refer to networks of events and ideas in human society. Symbols like the "primitives" in Jung's psychoanalysis - which are supposed to be inherent to cosmos in some way. Elemental forces which we give a name to. God's always seem to arise this way. That doesn't make them disappear from existence, any more than pythagoras' theorem does, but it suggests they are not specific individuals.
Maybe i'm talking crap though lol
@DelMarrrrr...the ... ( 12 minutes ago by gladItooktheredpill)
@DelMarrrrr...the agreed upon term is "conscious eternal torment". It's not good any way you slice it, but I DO think it includes degrees of punishment.
Array ( 11 minutes ago by DelMarrrrr)
@thisismymoniker
Haha, yeah I've heard the same sort of thing once before. There used to be a good man here once who claimed that if extraterrestrials were proven real, then the story of Jesus would then make much more sense and he said it might even convert him. So .:shrug:. like I said it's not out of the question and it's also not the craziest thing I've ever heard. After all...look at the system of beliefs *I* have. "Crazy" shouldn't be in my vocabulary.
@ ... ( 10 minutes ago by thisismymoniker)
@gladItooktheredpill
Simple mathematics demonstrates that degrees of punishment make no difference in the context of an eternal torment. Because 1 x infinite = 2 x infinite = 3 x infinity = 100000000000 x infinity. The total punishment is the same no matter the degree from one moment to the next.
And the total punishment no matter how slight at each moment is always going to far exceed the sum of decisions and sins on Earth. There is never a rational excuse for infinite punishment of a soul
@ ... ( 9 minutes ago by DelMarrrrr)
@gladItooktheredpill
Errrrrmmm =/
I dunno anymore man, I've always been taught that hell was simply a way of saying "separated from God" rather than "eternal torment"....this kind of really sucks.
@thisismymoniker ... ( 7 minutes ago by onesappleone)
@thisismymoniker The meaning of life is what we give it. Man used to ascribe natural phenomina like the sun and moon to gods. We now know better. Man has been technologically competant for a few hundred years and don't have all the answers. Why do we assume the remaining unknowns are due to god when the previous ones, like thunder and lightning were not. The mystery comes from us not yet understanding combined with mythical explanations to fill the gaps.
@DelMarrrrr... ... ( 7 minutes ago by gladItooktheredpill)
@DelMarrrrr...separation from God and that which he gives to benefit us, is eternal torment. They are one and the same.
@onesappleone...yes ... ( 6 minutes ago by gladItooktheredpill)
@onesappleone...yes, you are god.
Array ( 5 minutes ago by thisismymoniker)
@DelMarrrrr
I definitely wouldn't convert if there were extraterrestrials. I think you misunderstood me. The "elemental forces" would not attach themselves specifically to Christian mythology. They would map across all world religions which fabricate similar ideas. Jesus emerges as having more radiative effect on future ethics than most, but all humans contribute to this network of symbols. The idea is just that forces of good & evil pervade cosmos independent of humans AND particular myths
@ ... ( 4 minutes ago by DelMarrrrr)
@gladItooktheredpill
Yeah, but I meant to say that I didn't ever understand that there would be these degrees of punishment. If this is true I've got a LOT to worry about. I love all these people....TIMM, voiceoftruth,barty. They're all good friends and better yet, they're GOOD people. Not to mention the other real life friends I have that are Atheist or Jewish or Muslim....I can't imagine them all suffering for eternity. I'd much rather be able to go instead than to have them do it...
@ ... ( 3 minutes ago by onesappleone)
@gladItooktheredpill "separation from god" is a nice way of saying suffering horrific torture for ever in hell. Read the bible. The concept of hell is a big problem for christians so they want to sugar coat it. It reminds me of a company saying 20% of the workforce was "separated" when they really mean they were fired or laid off.
Array ( 2 minutes ago by thisismymoniker)
@onesappleone
You misunderstood me. Names deities are of no interest to me. But they are also warehouses for human symbolism. We fabricated Gods as part of collective imagination. But something else will get fabricated in their place. You just said "the meaning of life is what we give it"...but you didn't provide one! It's commonly thought atheism leads to meaningless of existence. I think this is a fallacy, because the mysteries of existence remain, so who can say life is meaningless?
2 Thessalonians, 8- ... ( 1 minute ago by onesappleone)
2 Thessalonians, 8-9:In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power



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