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Filmmakers Browning & Greenberg shows that having the government determine health care priorities can have unfortunate consequences.


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maybe you put the ... ( 10 months ago by tuttt99)
maybe you put the money ahead of things like a cell phone or tv cable..
I gave up luxuries until I could afford them again.
Ok, I'm not even ... ( 10 months ago by WemfRaver2003)
Ok, I'm not even from the US to know that many poor people are POOR. They dont all have the luxuries you think they have. On a side note, most places now can get cell service cheaper than a land line. Step out of your world and into theirs, they dont have anything to give up.
I don't know if it ... ( 10 months ago by justsmit)
I don't know if it qualifies as free market, but yeah, in Canada the services are indeed provided by private organizations and individuals running their businesses out of their own pockets.
The government just runs the insurance, and that is mandatory.
It's a great system.
Sure, it sucks things are politicized, where a politician will meet with a tranny just to be politically correct, but c'est la vie. That'll happen as long as we have politicians.
*should read 'many ... ( 10 months ago by justsmit)
*should read 'many of the services', not 'the services'
That's a poor ... ( 10 months ago by justsmit)
That's a poor question as you framed it. You are saying that such investments see an entrepreneur being 'paid and repaid forever', so you are ignoring that there are risks. For every success story, there are probably ten people still working because that risk turned out to be all too real.
In any case, you are free to apply at a cooperative if you think working for others is lame. That's entirely your choice, and nobody is stopping you.
Your comment is ... ( 10 months ago by BlackProteus)
Your comment is directed at whom?
The risk does not ... ( 10 months ago by BlackProteus)
The risk does not justify continued exploitation. And I make a distinction between petty bourgeois owners and large capitalists; small business that fail have my sympathy, because they exploit none, or very few; often they area small family operations. That's different from, say, Walmart. The workers make Walmart function, they could run it, and they should own it. Taking it would not be theft, it would be putting the wealth they create in their own pockets.
Just like the ... ( 10 months ago by justsmit)
Just like the laissez faire camp, you guys sound like a bunch of broken records. Yet you come off with the same enthusiasm every time as if you are reciting something miraculous that nobody has every heard before.
The great thing about Marxists is that they have to tell people where *their own* interests lay. Now that's irony.
"I don't know if it ... ( 10 months ago by OnGuard4Liberty)
"I don't know if it qualifies as free market, but yeah, in Canada the services are indeed provided by private organizations and individuals running their businesses out of their own pockets" --
They're still regulated to death, the prices are set for them and they're told which patients they must accept. It's not a free market by any stretch of the word.
If you saw a person ... ( 10 months ago by OnGuard4Liberty)
If you saw a person who needed healthcare, stole my wallet at gun point and then gave it to the person needing healthcare, no one would say you were "compassionate." It would be theft.
Yet, in your mind, if 51% of the people all come to me and tell me to give them my money (under the threat of gov't force), then it's ok with you. You support legalized, government-sponsored theft because you're too selfish and lazy to fix the problem on your own
"You have ... ( 10 months ago by OnGuard4Liberty)
"You have responsibilities to the people around you" --
I have no responsibilities except for myself. Saying I have to care for my children is a red herring because those children are people I brought into this world by choice. I have no responsibility to take care of your or anyone else.
If *YOU* feel a responsibility to do so, DO SO, but don't you dare try to make ME pay for it and act like that's somehow compassionate of you. It's nothing but legalized theft
"The great thing ... ( 10 months ago by BlackProteus)
"The great thing about Marxists is that they have to tell people where *their own* interests lay. Now that's irony."
No, it's hegemony.
I'm not a Marxist, by the way. I'm a libertarian socialist. But yes I am enthusiastic about the liberation of humankind.
"I have no ... ( 10 months ago by BlackProteus)
"I have no responsibilities except for myself"?
What a bleak ideology!
Our common law recognizes that you have responsibilities to strangers. If you see a man bleeding to death in the street, you have a responsibility to help, for example. Protecting the weak is what humans should do. In hunter-gatherer societies it is common sense: you help to raise other people's children, not just your own, and you share with elders simply because they need it. That's the true human nature.
"What a bleak ... ( 10 months ago by OnGuard4Liberty)
"What a bleak ideology" --
If you want to help others, be my guest. But again, DON'T USE THE GUNS OF GOVERNMENT TO MAKE ME DO WHAT YOU THINK I SHOULD AND THEN PRETEND THAT **YOU** ARE BEING COMPASSIONATE. Be compassionate without using government violence.
I totally agree ... ( 10 months ago by justsmit)
I totally agree with this observation of yours.
However, that shouldn't hide the fact that I think regulations can potentially be a good thing, and not just a bad thing as you imply, given your "regulated to death" remark.
No need to shout at ... ( 10 months ago by BlackProteus)
No need to shout at me with all-caps, mate.
My point is that we all must help each other. Just as my man-dying-in-the-street example works, you are obligated to help others. If you agree with the law (backed by guns, I guess, if you insist on boiling it down to that for dramatic effect) that a citizen can't legally walk past a dying man on the street, why doesn't that also apply to a man dying of a disease who can't afford health care?
"My point is that ... ( 10 months ago by OnGuard4Liberty)
"My point is that we all must help each other" --
Then do it. But don't use a the guns of government to steal from others and redistribute and then act like you're "helping." You're not, anymore than any other theief.
If your compassion is real, and I doubt it is, lower your standard of living and give your OWN money. Don't give away mine.
"If your compassion ... ( 10 months ago by BlackProteus)
"If your compassion is real, and I doubt it is"
I guess when your argument isn't working on its own, cheap shots ease the pain.
Saying "Then do it" doesn't answer my point. Our law *obliges* you to help a stranger bleeding to death on the street. That is a good law, and an example of how you *do* have responsibilities to strangers. If that is accepted, then further responsibilities are plausible. How do you answer that?
Sounds like ... ( 9 months ago by bootme21)
Sounds like socialism.
Having a law ... ( 9 months ago by BlackProteus)
Having a law requiring citizens to aid a fellow citizen dying in the street does not ipso facto make the government that passes such a law "socialist." In fact, this is the law in may liberal-democratic (i.e., capitalist) states.
But I agree in the sense that this basic level of fellow responsibility justifies a basis for socialism.
I am a Canadian, ... ( 9 months ago by newtonbrook)
I am a Canadian, this is the truth.
Ridiculous, but ... ( 6 months ago by olegplanets)
Ridiculous, but true. I don't know how come Canadians are not preoccupied with the medicare system
YEA!!!! i can't ... ( 5 months ago by kindkayne)
YEA!!!! i can't wait till this comes to the U.S.!!!
i would rather pay on a 500,000 dollar debt every month for the rest of my life than to have to wait 3 years for a necessary surgery.
people need to wake up... socialism (read communism) does not work! if you want real change we should be looking into libertarianism. the only political philosophy i know that has real plans for both peace and prosperity.
-"when" ( 5 days ago by EricBarbman)
-"when"



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