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Orson Swindle talks about his time with John McCain as a POW.
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someone should ... ( 2 months ago by driftervii)

someone should napalm your fucking ass.. i see you in a dark ally ........ jerk ass

When did he trade ... ( 2 months ago by Lissbirds)

When did he trade intel for medical attention? When they first captured him, he went five days without any medical attention. He was almost dead. He was taken to the hospital only when the Vietnamese realized he was a son of an admiral and they wanted to use him as a bargaining chip.
Yes, it was expected of all POWs to go home in the order of capture. He decided to follow the code, when he had a chance to go home early!!! Doesn't that say something GOOD about him?

Lis- Oh if that ... ( 2 months ago by electrodyne1)

Lis- Oh if that were only true...they didn't learn about his dad for some time after that.
Read his book.
As regards going home out of turn:
That was what was expected of him. It is admirable that he did that. It really is.
It does not make him a Hero.
The REAL heros are the ones that did not break.
Real heroes do not brag about being heros.
And being shot down and imprisoned no more qualifies you to be President than being carjacked qualifies you for NASCAR.

I had said earlier ... ( 2 months ago by Lissbirds)

I had said earlier that of course being a POW doesn't qualify you for the presidency. It was even mentioned at the RNC by one of the speakers.
Yes, he did break. So did a lot of the pilots there. Many of them signed confessions and I'm sure it still haunts them today, but they did the best they could under horrible conditions. I haven't read his book yet, but it is something I'm planning on doing. The information I was citing was from the A&E biography.

I don't really see ... ( 2 months ago by Lissbirds)

I don't really see him as bragging about this. I think he is actually pretty humble and earnest about his experiences, and I don't think talking about his past, of which being a POW was a major part of, is bragging.
At the RNC, it was mostly others talking about this POW experiences, not him. He touched on it, yes, but he also mentioned how others had been treated worse than him.

Liss- "mentioned" ... ( 2 months ago by electrodyne1)

Liss- "mentioned" at the RNC is the problem. It may have been mentioned..but in general, we were beaten over the head with " war hero". Think back to all the videos they ran..how ALL the speakers that preceded him made the war hero thing a HUGE part of the sales pitch. Hell Thomspon even lied and said that John NEVER Broke.
It is a sales pitch. They are playing us.
It's a good pitch...it may work...but I think , in the end it is manipulative and many McCain supporters don't see that.

Ofcourse he brags ... ( 2 months ago by electrodyne1)

Ofcourse he brags about it..When the people that do the warm ups drill us with it. When they spend millions on adds that are about it.. "I'm John McCain and I approved this message" at the end. He isn't stupid. He lets his campaign do it for him. But, it's the same thing. I think if he had a little more class...he would have them tone this hero stuff way down. But..he wants to be President and he is willing keep playing the hero card..if thats what it takes.

You think he didn't ... ( 2 months ago by electrodyne1)

You think he didn't know that there were 3 separate war hero videos played on that Big screen at the RNC?
You think he doesn't know about all the war hero TV ads?
That Thompsons speech was wall to wall war hero.?
Well, if he doesn't...then that means he doesn't know whats going on in his own campaign. Thats also a scary thought.

Lis- I am not ... ( 2 months ago by electrodyne1)

Lis- I am not trying to be an Ass and not trying to beat you up. But, one more thing.
This video ( and others like it) are on HIS website.
See what I mean.

I did notice that ... ( 2 months ago by Lissbirds)

I did notice that they repeated themselves a lot at the RNC. It seemed as if each speaker had a lot of latitude in what they chose to spoke about. There was a lot of repetition of the war hero message, which is probably due to his campaign advisors teling him to emphasize that. Whether he likes it or not is unknown to us.

I think both ... ( 2 months ago by Lissbirds)

I think both candidates should speak about their life experiences. To me, McCain served his country and he served it well, but I'm not voting for him because of that. Actually, what attracted me to him initially 8 years ago, was his record in the Senate against pork barrel spending. I really want someone who will go against party lines if he has to. I didn't even know anything about his life story then.
Who else would promise at the RNC to rat out members of his own party for overspending?

Liss- I was once a ... ( 2 months ago by electrodyne1)

Liss- I was once a McCain guy (seriously)
When he flipped on some of the issues that had made him the "maverick" it bothered me. Example: Waterboarding and Taxes. He was against tax cuts for the rich for yrs. said they were "immoral".. and they are. The huge debt we are rolling up with China, so the rich can have a tax cut will have to be paid by our kids. Thats wrong.
But to get the nomination, he had to renig on what he said was a heartfelt position. He wants it too much.

Lis- I looked at ... ( 2 months ago by electrodyne1)

Lis- I looked at the math. If MCain cuts most of the earmarks and pork..it comes nowhere near paying for the war and the tax cuts for the wealthy, Nowhere close.
Obama doesn't deal well with the debt either,,but most economists think Obama will add 3 trll to the debt while McCain adds 5 trill to the debt. They are charging that to my kids, I don't like it. And at least under the Obama plan we get health care and more investment in alternative energy.
Open end wars will bankrupt the country.

electrodyne1 a ... ( 2 months ago by fastard154)

electrodyne1 a basic economic principle is that the government makes more money with lower taxes. higher taxes will and lots of spending is the reason we have a debt in the first place. even with tax cuts the rich still pay more tax money than everyone else. the only people who pay more is the oil companies.

McCain said he ... ( 2 months ago by Lissbirds)

McCain said he promotes all kinds of alternative energy. In fact, he's proposing a $300 million prize to improve batteries for hybrids and electric cars. That's only one of serveral alternative-energy proposals of his.
Under Obama's plan 2/3 of the population is "rich," including small business. If small businesses are taxed, they're apt to hire less and pay less, and raises prices. According to the Washington post, the tax rate for small businesses would be 54.9%. That's quite a lot.

Liss -so why do you ... ( 2 months ago by electrodyne1)

Liss -so why do you start the post taliking about McCains energy plans, but do not then talk about Obama's?
You then change the subject to taxes.
Thats like comparing apples an oranges.
Why not compare energy plans .. or compare tax plans.
Can you give a link on that 59% tax rate...that doesn't sound right.
Thanks

Liss- I was told ... ( 2 months ago by electrodyne1)

Liss- I was told today that McCain has never in the past voted for funding for any of the alternative energy sources that he now says he supports. And in fact, has always voted against these things. I want to check into that. I hope thats not true. I really like his proposal for prizes for innovation..it's a great idea. If he wins I hope he follows through. I was disappointed that he keeps saying that Obama is against Nuclear..when Obama is OK with it if the waste situation is handled.

I too was disturbed ... ( 2 months ago by Stovepipe2222)

I too was disturbed when John folded in to the right wing during the primaries to tow the party line. Lately he seems to have gone back to his old style, but win or lose, i hope that he remains true to himself, and win or lose, I hope the next president leads well and this country prospers.

Speaking as a ... ( 1 month ago by MrRik2)

Speaking as a full-blooded democrat, I couldn't agreewith you more. I sincerly hope that Mr McCain stays true to his word and whoever wins we all find a better future. This isn't about them, it's about us.

Thank you my friend ... ( 1 month ago by Stovepipe2222)

Thank you my friend. (Sorry, didn't mean to sound like McCain) but may I also add that it's not just us, but for the good of the entire country, for us, the world, and for all the generations yet to come.

Absolutely! "Us", ... ( 1 month ago by MrRik2)

Absolutely! "Us", the people of the the country and the world. The same people who get talked about a lot during the election but seem to kept out of the loop the rest of the time. Here's to those who care about us more than party politics and bickering.

John McCain 2008!!! ( 1 month ago by SilverSeaMermaid)

John McCain 2008!!!

why hasnt mccain ... ( 1 month ago by chrislazara1212)

why hasnt mccain ever released the files from his POW days in the Hanoi Hilton?

Before you speak, ... ( 3 days ago by kyleh93710)

Before you speak, make sure you know what you are talking about Mackattack. If by files you mean experiences/information he wrote a whole book about his experience called Faith of my Fathers. Go read it, it explains vividly his time as a POW.

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