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Did Petraeus part ways with the neocons?



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Ok, I'm watching ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
Ok, I'm watching that documentary now. I still dissagree with your narrowminded conclusions but i'm trying to see your greater point...
...It seems to me ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
...It seems to me you summize that the neocons hate liberals more than islamicists, who also late liberals. I dissagree. The islamicists hate liberals and the neocons are addressing the islamicist threat. While the neocons may agree with islamic concerns with regards to the moral relevatism and spiritual rot that liberalism breeds, they part company with regards to the freedom to be a liberal. You liberals own your "liberty" to be liberal to the neocons. Imagine that.
However, I do ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
However, I do appreciate "The Power of Nightmares" documentary, made by liberals, for it's highlighting of how the neocons overexaggerate the threat. We don't want them doing that, now do we? The US Military learned, like the documenteers learned, that there were no elaborate cave networks in the mountains of Afghanistan...
...So, they gave ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
...So, they gave the islamicist fascists too much credit for being highly funded and well trained, when in reality they were only just a bunch of outcast, poor losers envious of democratic prosperity, who drew their 9/11 plans out on toilet paper...
...and were ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
...and were anihliated in the first round of bombing. No, the documentary is right, there are no terror cells or loose threats running around without a country. In fact, they have a country, and it's name....is IRAN!!!
At minute 15:05 of ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
At minute 15:05 of part 3 of that documentary, it notes that 9-11 brought the neocons back in power. I thought they were already in power.
AMERICALOVESHEROS ... ( 7 months ago by MrEclectik)
AMERICALOVESHEROS wrote:
"True valor, physical courage, love of country, esprit de corps is not something liberals know anything about."
You need to separate what makes you feel good with the hidden agendas fueling such activities. While a soldier may feel that what he's accomplishing in his sphere of influence is positive there is a bigger picture that will unfold after he leaves (or maybe during) and may not be as noble as you think.
The father of the ... ( 7 months ago by crazycatfguy)
The father of the Neocons is Irving Kristol former hard core democrat who believed the reforms of the liberals produced more crime and chaos and proved the average person was too stupid to handle freedom. This liberal that you call was republican from 1976 until the party of fiscal responsibility and liberty passed the patriot act and doubled the national debt.
The neocons posted ... ( 7 months ago by crazycatfguy)
The neocons posted a documentary from the project for a new american century called rebuilding americas defenses where they admit they could not get the people behind their foreign policy absent a catastrophic incident like a new pear harbor. This document was posted a year before 9/11. It is a boring read but some unbelievable statements about what they would use the military for after the new pearl harbor.
Oh yeah. Sorry, I ... ( 7 months ago by MooseOfReason)
Oh yeah. Sorry, I just remember hearing "McCain-Lieberman" a lot.
I hear you and ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
I hear you and sympathize but that doesn't make them guilt of committing the atrocity themselves. The Power of Nightmares doesn't even suggest that. Perhaps you are mixing their documentary with the 9/11 concidences videos?
Lindsey Graham is a ... ( 7 months ago by AiresQX4)
Lindsey Graham is a little bitch that needs a slap in the mouth!!
Let me see if I ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
Let me see if I understand you correctly: You were once a conservative but because some of your fellow conservatives moved to the left a little and became neocons, you decided to go extreme left? Is that it?
I had a sudden ... ( 7 months ago by crazycatfguy)
I had a sudden realization that the ideological difference between the two parties in election years disappear after they get elected and it is time to look at candidates individually regardless of party.
And what did you ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
And what did you determine using that method? Who's the one?
Slap in the mouth? ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
Slap in the mouth? Look who sounds like the bitch.
One issue voters ... ( 7 months ago by crazycatfguy)
One issue voters have been drug to the polls for decades over the same issues and so there is no reason to solve them. When legislation is introduces by either side to make it look like they are trying to fulfill campaign promises it will always include a poison pill. Something added to it to make sure the other party will make sure it does not pass. Lots of grandstanding and finger pointing follows but the legislation was crafted in a way to make sure it would not pass.
A recent example is ... ( 7 months ago by crazycatfguy)
A recent example is the dems grandstanding over their legislation to let bankruptcy judges reset mortgage rates. The dems wold not let the Republicans amendments come up for votes even though that had enough votes to vote them down. This gave the Republicans an excuse to oppose it. Wall street lobbyist fund both sides of the aisle and did not want this to pass. It did not pass. Coincidence? A circus for the people .
...and then they ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
...and then they meet for dinner afterwards. I hear what you are saying but i'm not so sure that they are smart enough to coordinate that well. If they could, they could really get something positive done for the people. I'm guessing that it is just the nature of the beast and something that "we the people" need to sort out. Maybe we should try to find a way to trick the system to cause it to work on our behalf.
Some would see that ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
Some would see that as a poison pill for the economy if it did pass. Talk about abuse of the welfare state. Bottom line is if investors can't make money, investors won't lend money. I think that the dems thought that they believed in something but when they got close to the fire, they weren't so sure of it and became afraid of the potential backlash. Happens all the time...
...Just like Obama ... ( 7 months ago by tantricity7)
...Just like Obama will do when the "powers that be" sit him down and show him the real world of diplomacy. All of a sudden, "the troops must stay."
The legislation ... ( 7 months ago by crazycatfguy)
The legislation would have allowed bankruptcy judges to reset loan rates on the primary residence only and then if he believed they were victims of unfair lending practices. Investment and rent property were not included. I don't see how they could get backlash from that because voters of both parties got caught in the housing crisis. They could expect a backlash in campaign contributions though.
The US plays ... ( 7 months ago by distressed7)
The US plays GUNSMOKE and Billy the Kid to the lives of other cultures and peoples. If I had a twofaced nation like the US at my borders plying the world with favors for disapproval of my nation. I would go down swinging and though defeated in the end I'd make that enemy regret they ever heard the name of my nation. You see. The US is not a nation. It is a rogue state. A dream of a few mysticalized visionaries that want this for the whole world whether they want it or not. We are the oppressors.
Really funny mate! ... ( 7 months ago by Kalydosos)
Really funny mate! I was laughing my head off with your comment spot on!



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